>>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes . thank you for joining us. cautionary tales abound tonight. a republican congressman tries to manufacture the next watergate, but instead gets upstaged by the next lifetime original movie.
>>> in michigan, the real price of austerity as a school district runs out of money, fires all the teachers, and shuts the doors on all the students. that happened. you have to hear this story. all of that, plus, click 3. we begin with new details and developments and the big question of overlooked red flags in the investigation surrounding the kidnapping and rescue of three young women held captive for a decade inside a cleveland home. 52-year-old ariel castro was charged late this afternoon with four counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape. no charges were filed against either of his brothers, who were arrested with him monday night. cleveland police now say there is no evidence that leads them to believe the brothers were involved or even had any knowledge that ariel castro was holding the women captive in his home. police said today the women are only known to have been outside twice.
>> the evidence we've obtained thus far in the case that in the last decade they've only known themselves to be outside the home on two separate occasions.
>> we were told that they left the house and went into the garage in disguise, so those are the two times that were mentioned or that they can recall.
>> so they never left the property?
>> no.
>> as we're learning more about the horrific conditions these three women were held under, we're also learning more about the suspect in the case, ariel castro . every new detail we learn about his life, given what we now know he's expected of doing is being seen understandably as a missed warning sign , a red flag that might have alerted authorities that something was wrong with this man. castro was fired last year as a job as a school bus driver after he was cited for leaving his bus unattended for four hours last september while he went home to rest, that after a series of incidents that involved leaving a kid on the bus for two hours. while they've never received suspicious activity at castro 's house , many neighbors are coming forward with long-held suspicions about castro . but as a picture of red flags and warning signs surrounding ariel krast troe emerges, the biggest red flag is the least talked about today, because it seems on the surface almost too routine to be a red flag because it is such a fact of american life and that very mundane red flag is ariel castro 's record of alleged domestic violence . a disturbing list of charges against castro dating back to 2005 reporting based on court documents that his ex-wife, quote, suffered two broken noses, broken ribs, a knocked-out tooth, blood clot on the brain, and two dislocated shoulders. requesting a judge keep castro from threatening to kill her and further alleging the ex-wife has full custody with no visitation for castro , nevertheless, castro repeatedly abducts their daughter and keeps them from mother, prompting katie jambaker to write, quote, we care very much about pretty adolescent girls who disappear in thin air, but we should also worry about guys who abuse their wives and children before they find replacements to hide in the basement. we're talking about a man that had been accused of assaulting his ex-wife and threatening to kill her and kidnapping their children and alleged to kidnap three other young women and children, one of whom was a close friend of his daughter, gina dejesus, who was 14 years old when she disappeared in 2004 . the last person to see her that day on her way home from school was her friend and ariel castro 's daughter. castro 's daughter appeared on an episode of "america's most wanted" where she described the moments leading up to her friend's abduction.
>> i talked to her best friend and classmate, arlene castro . the two girls were walking home together, hoping to spend the rest of the afternoon at gina 's house .
>> i decided to call my mom and ask her, so she gave me 50 cents to call my mom, and so my mom said, no, that i can't go over to her house , and so i told her i couldn't, and she said, well, okay, i'll talk to you later . and she walked.
>> police report released tonight fills in details. quote, gina dejesus, ariel came back without his daughter and told gina he would give her a ride to his house to meet up with his daughter. ariel castro is alleged to have driven gina to his house instead where he held her captive for nine years. according to the timeline laid out by police , ariel castro had already abducted gina dejesus, michelle knight, and amanda berry before -- it's hard not to imagine the past eight years of those women 's lives having been played out differently if someone had interviewed more forcefully or more successfully when ariel castro was being accused of dangerous and violent behavior against his own family. joining me again from cleveland , ohio, connie schultz . with me here at the table, irene carmone. connie , i want to get your reaction, and the cleveland plain dealer , to its great credit, did reporting of this about this domestic violence incident. the details of which are brutal, horrifying, and also shockingly mundane in the context of domestic violence and reports that i as a reporter have red for the duration of my career while reporting stories.
>> you know, i had a long conversation today, chris, with the ceo of the rape crisis center here, megan o'brien, and this was before the charges were made public, but we knew about him at that point, and as she said to me, and it's so true, we still marginalize this whole issue of domestic violence involving women and sexual abuse and sexual assault , and this is really, unfortunately, this story is playing that out in vivid detail for us tonight.
>> you know, we have a system that literally cannot handle the sheer number of domestic violence calls there are. i know in chicago when i was a reporter in chicago, there was a separate court created for domestic violence to try to process it. you can go through rap sheets and it's often the case misdemeanor, misdemeanor after misdemeanor, you have to do something quite extreme to get a felony. here's this item just sitting in the middle of his record and then everybody moved on about their lives.
>> look, there's attention -- sorry.
>> go ahead.
>> i was going to say there's attention here. of course, we don't want people to be locked up for the rest of their lives because they commit a misdemeanor crime, but i think there's a continuum here, there's a spectrum through which what ariel castro 's accused of doing to his own family and this kind of extraordinary violence that's frankly an extreme version of what is considered ordinary, what is normalized, what is considered private, which is violence against women .
>> connie , what were you going to say?
>> well, you said something that really struck me, you said we have a system that can't handle all the domestic violence complaints, and i guess my argument would be if we made women and women 's safety a priority, we would have a system that could handle all the domestic violence complaints.
>> what do you mean by that?
>> if we made it a priority, we would have enough lawyers who represent women who can represent them for free if they don't have the money, we would have police departments around the country who take seriously allegations of abuse, we would have a network in place for safe havens for women immediately. we would have the equivalent of the cleveland rape crisis center in every city in the country. we've not made it a priority. we certainly spend money on a lot of other things when we decide it's important, and if we put women first, women and children and their safety, we would be able to handle these complaints and do a lot more to prevent domestic violence in the first place.
>> i think it's important to note while we're not doing nearly enough and while it's a scandal that 1.3 million women are victims of intimate partner violence every year in the last statistics that i saw, we've actually made a fair amount of progress, which is actually encouraging for what can happen. over the last few decades, as violent crime has gone down generally, domestic violence has gone down, and you have to think in that same period, women have become more empowered. women and men, as well, who were in domestic partner situations that were violent often felt like they had no alternative. some alternatives, if not enough, have been created and as people have other sources of income, as they can imagine themselves outside of this harmful couples situation. so again, it's not enough, but we have made a lot of progress.
>> and part of that has been, connie , part of it has been the way in which there has been a revolution in policing, and this gets us to this kind of red-flag question, which i think looms over the city of cleveland , looms over the case right now in terms of the police department 's conduct. the police department today, since you were talking about usa tod today's reports and three calls between 2011 and 2012 , reports of seeing naked women on leashes in the backyard, we should note police at the press conference have no record of those calls, that the women themselves say they were not outside the house .
>> right.
>> and that, i think, is part of the story that's important here, because i think everybody's looking at whether the police did this right or wrong or not with respect to these neighbors' calls, and the question i keep having is, what happened when the cop showed up when the ex-wife had a blood clot , right? that's the point at which the intervention to me seems the best chance of something breaking open there that would have ended this horror show eight years ago.
>> well, that's a very good question, and it's one that a lot of us in cleveland have right now. but i can't tell how much i appreciate you've pointed out right now the investigation is still unfolding and we don't know what all the police did right and what the police did wrong. in cleveland in particular, i've been critical of cleveland police a lot in my career, but the response to -- their response after the anthony sole murders, 11 women found buried in his house on the east side of cleveland in 2009 , the commission, an independent commission which included the ceo of the rape crisis center and a boat load of recommendations for change in policy and practices, and so i -- while i'm always going to be skeptical when it comes to the police , i am going to wait and find out what all -- first of all, what all they report, what other strong reporting reveals about this, and i'm not willing right now to say it's simply the cleveland police dropping the ball in every direction. we don't know that yet, and i'm really getting weary of the speculation of news shows and online stories. they are drawing a lot of conclusions about my city and my town and i don't feel proprietary protecting the police , but i want the reporting accurate. there's a lot at stake right now, it's including the safety of the women found, all the survivors reliving their traumas by the unfolding of this news. there's so much to take into consideration right now. as i wrote for my syndicative column today, first rule for journalists, do no further harm to these women .
>> i have to say you bring that up and we were watching the scene unfold today when one of the women returned home. and there was a huge stake out there, we're now showing the footage, which i'm about to criticize. the fact, you know, how long are those cameras going to be there, this is someone whose gone from being locked inside a house for ten years, and i would love to give them the space and privacy to be able to cope and heal and move on in the way they need to and not be locked inside their house because there's press waiting on their doorstep every fricking second. trying not to be part of the problem.
>> i would like to clone you. that's what i would like to do in our industry right now. i made a direct plea to journalists today. we have got to dial this back.
>> i want to talk about the most incredible moment of charles ramsey 's interview to me and the story of charles ramsey as a kind of folk hero on this and i want to bring in one more guest to talk about the context of domestic violence and the remarkable revelation today based on very good reporting by the cleveland plain dealer that the suspect in this case had a record of domestic violence . all that when we come back. 8
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